Comments on: Zend Framework Tutorial for ZF v0.8 http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/ Developing PHP and XUL Software in the Real World Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:44:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Jean-Marc Rigade http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8883 Jean-Marc Rigade Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:41:29 +0000 http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8883 I've read that ZF will not use mod_rewrite in future release. It would be great for those who work with Microsoft IIS. JM I've read that ZF will not use mod_rewrite in future release. It would be great for those who work with Microsoft IIS.

JM

]]> By: Rob... http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8809 Rob... Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:47:36 +0000 http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8809 Arttie_br, Glad you sorted it :) Regards, Rob... Arttie_br,

Glad you sorted it :)

Regards,

Rob…

]]> By: arttie_br http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8808 arttie_br Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:18:27 +0000 http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8808 Please, delete my post above. If I had refreshed the page 17 minutes earlier, I'd had solved my problem with your advice. Thanks for everything ;) Please, delete my post above. If I had refreshed the page 17 minutes earlier, I'd had solved my problem with your advice. Thanks for everything ;)

]]> By: arttie_br http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8807 arttie_br Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:16:29 +0000 http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8807 After a whole day searching I found my answer. The line "LoadModule rewrite_module modules/mod_rewrite.so" was commented in my apache config. Uncommenting it solved the whole problem. Thanks, and regards. Arttie. After a whole day searching I found my answer. The line
"LoadModule rewrite_module modules/mod_rewrite.so"
was commented in my apache config. Uncommenting it solved the whole problem.
Thanks, and regards.

Arttie.

]]> By: Rob... http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8806 Rob... Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:59:14 +0000 http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8806 Arttie_br, Try enabling mod_rewrite in your httpd.conf file. On Windows it is commented out by default (semicolon in first column of the line). Regards, Rob... Arttie_br,

Try enabling mod_rewrite in your httpd.conf file. On Windows it is commented out by default (semicolon in first column of the line).

Regards,

Rob…

]]> By: arttie_br http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8805 arttie_br Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:13:13 +0000 http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8805 Hi Rob, i am new to all this and am very excited with the framework. I first read your tuto and found it is great. Thanks! However, when trying it, I found problems with my apache config. I am running it on windows, so I have to name my access files ht.acl. The problem is that I cannot see the zftuto folder in my browser, only the others. If I rename ht.acl to anything else, the folder becomes visible but logically I lose all the modwrite configs. Can you help me with this? Thanks a lot for your tuto and your attention. Regards, Arttie. Hi Rob, i am new to all this and am very excited with the framework. I first read your tuto and found it is great. Thanks! However, when trying it, I found problems with my apache config. I am running it on windows, so I have to name my access files ht.acl. The problem is that I cannot see the zftuto folder in my browser, only the others. If I rename ht.acl to anything else, the folder becomes visible but logically I lose all the modwrite configs. Can you help me with this?
Thanks a lot for your tuto and your attention.
Regards,

Arttie.

]]> By: Zuhair Naqvi http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8677 Zuhair Naqvi Thu, 08 Mar 2007 05:43:56 +0000 http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8677 Youre rite, I was indeed looking at another framework. I downloaded a number of frameworks to choose one and mixed things up. My bad! However the extracted size of zend framework is around 60 MB. Do you think it would be better to have all non-core functionality as downloadable packages that can extend the core framework as needed? Youre rite, I was indeed looking at another framework. I downloaded a number of frameworks to choose one and mixed things up. My bad!

However the extracted size of zend framework is around 60 MB. Do you think it would be better to have all non-core functionality as downloadable packages that can extend the core framework as needed?

]]> By: Rob... http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8674 Rob... Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:11:07 +0000 http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8674 I can only echo what Matthew has already said so eloquently. The amount of code for the MVC in ZF is small and remarkably flexible. Even the M, V and C are all completely separate and in reality you could choose to not use the M or V and still use the C :) It's still missing an ActiveRecord too :) Regards, Rob... I can only echo what Matthew has already said so eloquently.

The amount of code for the MVC in ZF is small and remarkably flexible. Even the M, V and C are all completely separate and in reality you could choose to not use the M or V and still use the C :)

It's still missing an ActiveRecord too :)

Regards,

Rob…

]]> By: Matthew Weier O'Phinney http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8673 Matthew Weier O'Phinney Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:24:23 +0000 http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8673 Zuhair -- I'm not sure what framework you were looking at, but I don't think it was Zend Framework. The MVC implementation does not include session management, ACLs, authorization, json, etc -- you have to explicitly use those when you want them. The MVC only controls (a) decomposition of a URL to request parameters (Routing), (b) dispatching (taking the request parameters and determining what controller and action to call), and (c) returning the response. If you want need acls, session management, json, etc., you pull in those components yourself, either in your bootstrap, plugins, or action controller classes. Also, compared to other frameworks currently available, I'd argue that ZF is not incredibly feature-rich at this point: no form handling modules, no integration with ajax libraries, etc. These will come, but you can hardly accuse ZF of being bloated with features at this point. Zuhair — I'm not sure what framework you were looking at, but I don't think it was Zend Framework. The MVC implementation does not include session management, ACLs, authorization, json, etc — you have to explicitly use those when you want them. The MVC only controls (a) decomposition of a URL to request parameters (Routing), (b) dispatching (taking the request parameters and determining what controller and action to call), and (c) returning the response. If you want need acls, session management, json, etc., you pull in those components yourself, either in your bootstrap, plugins, or action controller classes.

Also, compared to other frameworks currently available, I'd argue that ZF is not incredibly feature-rich at this point: no form handling modules, no integration with ajax libraries, etc. These will come, but you can hardly accuse ZF of being bloated with features at this point.

]]> By: Zuhair Naqvi http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8670 Zuhair Naqvi Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:59:25 +0000 http://akrabat.com/2007/03/05/zend-framework-tutorial-for-zf-v08/#comment-8670 The advantage of PHP over ASP and JSP is that PHP is very modest and practical language that is as efficient as ASP/JSP but without the overhead complexity. The reason why experienced programmers like Rasmus Lerdorf prefer and preach the developers to create their own project specific framework is that the code can remain self explanatory. When I first read about the zend framework, I was very excited that there is finally a hope for a rational and practical PHP application development framework. But when I tried the latest (0.8) version I was disappointed to see how complicated it is to just implement a simple mvc app. This is obviously because the zend framework is very feature rich but the very luxury of feature richness is making the framework unnecessarily heavy and bloated with code. Because all features are integrated, one feature complicates the implementation of another and the overall design is turning into an Object Oriented diarrhea. A much better and cleaner approach would be: A very light weight MVC skeleton framework should be provided and all other functionality like session management, access control, json etc. are provided as pluggable extensions to the framework. This way you will not mix up functionality with infrastructure. And the monstrous zend framework will adhere to the PHP style. The advantage of PHP over ASP and JSP is that PHP is very modest and practical language that is as efficient as ASP/JSP but without the overhead complexity. The reason why experienced programmers like Rasmus Lerdorf prefer and preach the developers to create their own project specific framework is that the code can remain self explanatory.

When I first read about the zend framework, I was very excited that there is finally a hope for a rational and practical PHP application development framework.

But when I tried the latest (0.8) version I was disappointed to see how complicated it is to just implement a simple mvc app. This is obviously because the zend framework is very feature rich but the very luxury of feature richness is making the framework unnecessarily heavy and bloated with code. Because all features are integrated, one feature complicates the implementation of another and the overall design is turning into an Object Oriented diarrhea.

A much better and cleaner approach would be: A very light weight MVC skeleton framework should be provided and all other functionality like session management, access control, json etc. are provided as pluggable extensions to the framework. This way you will not mix up functionality with infrastructure. And the monstrous zend framework will adhere to the PHP style.

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